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Russell Beattie's Blog Forum: Nearly a million users, and no spam or trolls - RussellBeattie.com

  • Phil Wilson · 1 year ago
    is that really true? If someone sends a message @you I think it turns up in your message stream, even if you've not added them as a friend.
  • Turker · 1 year ago
    This is in the settings. You can elect if you want to see @you's from people you don't follow as well.
  • augmentedfourth · 1 year ago
    Actually, you can't add @you messages to your main stream (though I'd love to see that added!). However, you can see all @you's if you click on the "Replies" tab.
  • Steve · 1 year ago
    Uhhm, RSS feeds? No trolls, no spam. Subscribe to what you want. Unsubscribe when they get to noisy.
  • dave · 1 year ago
    True, Twitter and RSS are very similar.
  • anon · 1 year ago
    :sigh: I guess the older generation never used IM.
  • howardlindzon · 1 year ago
    great post. exactly
  • Ian Timothy · 1 year ago
    Sorry to anon, but isn't IM synchronous while Twitter asynchronous conversations. Big difference.
  • Harry Lime · 1 year ago
    IM is asynchronous as well, as the message isn't transmitted until the user clicks a button. A synchronous form of text would be Unix's talk, where every keystroke is transmitted.
  • Tom · 1 year ago
    IM is synchronous at the level of the individual message, but Twitter isn't. Twitter lets you dip in and out of the conversation whenever you feel like it, which makes it more like email than IM, but the interface and user experience is IM-like.
  • RacerRick · 1 year ago
    There are plenty of trolls but not much spam.

    Trolls in twitter are the people who try to follow like 3000 people.

    They are also the folks who 'track' certain words and then @ with related messages.

    There's little spam because you can only send one @ message at a time.
  • Misty Khan · 1 year ago
    I don't think tracking a certain word and then replying with an @ message makes you a spammer - I've done that as a way to meet people with similar interests and I've offered those people information that they have in most cases thanked me for. I don't think I'd be getting thank yous if those people viewed me as a spammer.

    On the reverse, I've received invitations after I mentioned words that were being tracked and if I wasn't interested in participating, I just didn't accept the invitation - not a big deal and I really didn't feel spammed either because I was being invited by someone who at least knew I had some common interest with them.
  • Joshua March · 1 year ago
    @Feedus that's not actually true, you can put as many @names in a message as you can fit in.

    There's a big difference between twitter & RSS: you can't track conversations between blogs on RSS like you can on Twitter.

    Josh
  • @andrewdotnich · 1 year ago
    You can add many @users, yes, but only the first will count as an actual 'reply'.
  • OwenC · 1 year ago
    Hmm .. no spam or trolls .. YET

    Email used to be like that once, and blog comments. Only a matter of time before someone ruins it for everyone .. then a new industry offering products which filter Twitter will be born ...
  • Sudhanshu · 1 year ago
    Also, on twitter you can't have the issue of plagiarism. I can copy your posts and start a new blog, but I can't copy your tweets...
  • linkerjpatrick · 1 year ago
    I don't know, I have had people add me to their "friends" list but for all practical purposes they are not people as much as they are "marketing" campaigns. Also I have had to stop following people because some of their posts have been very vulgar or used language I would want someone visiting my Twitter page to see in my list of followers.
  • Stephen Paul Weber · 1 year ago
    Twitter has SPAM, you just don't follow it, so you don't see it.
  • gilest · 1 year ago
    There is spam on Twitter (see http://twitter.com/Twittter_Dating and http://twitter.com/layhandy for example), but its impact is limited thanks to the design of the system that will only let you see stuff from people you have agreed to see stuff from. Twitter spammers only trouble the people who make the decision to follow them. That doesn't stop the spammers from following as many people as they can, and those people getting the resulting one-off "So-and-so is now folllowing you on Twitter!" email alerts.

    It's not annoying (yet), but I fear it will expand very quickly. Both those examples I gave cropped up in my inbox within the last fortnight or so, I think there will be more to come yet.

    The built-in "Block this user" functionality comes in very useful. The more Twitter users who make use of it, the less likely it is that the spammers will persist.
  • ellybabes · 1 year ago
    Back in the early days there were some issues with Spam on Twitter. We had a couple of users back in July last year that appeared to be constantly deleting and re-adding their 'friends' in an effort to get noticed. Even blocking the user didn't seem to work (think there was a bug issue with that at the time).

    However, Twitter support were excellent and checked into the guys account and reacted by removing his 'friending' privileges. That's also one of the reasons that the level of any spamming and trolling has stayed low, the support desk has reacted quickly to complaints.
  • whitneymcn · 1 year ago
    I've been thinking a lot about this social model recently. Twitter and the Tumblr "social blogging" tool have what I'm calling a "user-defined experience" or "aggregated community" model: each user defines their experience of the tool by who they follow. This does minimize spam, but what's more interesting about it to me is that it means that these tools are very social, but that there's no single community -- there is no "there" there, but in the best possible sense.

    Rather than contributing to -- collaborating on the creation of -- a shared space, each Twitter/Tumblr user creates a thread and builds their own "there" out of all the available threads. Community through aggregation rather than community through collaboration.
  • jeremy · 1 year ago
    Agreed. I am really excited to see how the twitter community evolves over the next 5yrs.
  • Sam Brown · 1 year ago
    Don't forget the "* is now following you on Twitter" barrage that you get in your mailbox if someone constantly hits follow then unfollow then follow etc etc.

    Obviously you can turn this feature off but by default it is on.
  • chantelle · 1 year ago
    Channels and Oscars- Twittering the Oscars last night was great...
    http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2008/02/25/...
  • brklynsurfer · 1 year ago
    Twitter has spam, I have 62 people following me and I know about 10 of them, the rest are mostly SEO types looking for a little link love.
  • Chris · 1 year ago
    Twitter is short attention span theatre IM. I can't find a better way to describe it.

    Tremendous value as it forces you to think & communicate succinctly in a time when information glut is at an all time high. If anything comes from Twitter it should be the focus on concise & succinct communications. Everything else is superfluous.
  • Jack · 1 year ago
    Obviously, this works both ways: you also won't learn about anyone else you might want to follow, because you're only seeing posts by those you already follow. That's unlike a system like the WELL (at least in the good old days), where you could always learn something new from an unexpected place.

    In today's world, with search engines indexing Twitter pages, perhaps we can still find new stuff on Twitter using Google, but Twitter itself hasn't solved this problem.

    Frankly, to me, learning about interesting new stuff is what the Internet is about. If I want to avoid dumb information on the net, I read a book.
  • Glenn Fleishman · 1 year ago
    As others have noted, blocking a user prevents spam after a single attempt. While I have hundreds of followers now, and some have obviously spammy/SEO names, I don't get bothered by them. And, when a colleague I happen to not really be interested in either following or having follow me tried to follow me recently, I simply blocked them. (The colleague uses their real name, so they could set up another twitter account under another name and follow me there [if they knew I blocked him or her], but that would mean having two different accounts being monitored in different ways.) Twitter is largely passive about things that are actively anti-social in social networking systems. When I block someone, they don't know they've been blocked. I just disappear off their field of vision.
  • jason · 1 year ago
    There's not much spam but it's hard to actually reach someone, especially someone you don't know yet.
  • Joshua Kaufman · 1 year ago
    I'm not so sure about twitter not having any spam or troll issues. It's like Syndrome said in The Incredibles: "When everyone's an incredible, no one is." The same goes for public sharing of everything. When everything is public, the notion of public sharing doesn't exist, and a lot of the "issues" commonly associated with public sharing are overlooked.
  • Douglas · 1 year ago
    Push vs. pull etc.
  • Mr. Nosuch · 1 year ago
    While individual users aren't bothered by the follower trolls, collectively we all suffer. Each of those super-trolls who follow thousands of users create a load on Twitter as updates are sent to the trolls, and the trolls pump useless updates in. And one issue we've ALL had with Twitter is performance problems. So while I personally don't get spam tweets, my Twitter experience is degraded.

    I wish Twitter had an option to allow me to accept followers who only follow N or less other users. I'd set mine to 100. I'll continue to routinely kick out troll followers manually until that day.
  • Steven Fisher · 1 year ago
    Unfortunately, the spam options seem to make it very difficult for legitimate new users to be noticed by communities as well. On the other hand, I watched a new user follow tens of thousands and has nearly a thousand following him/her. So abuse of a different kind is certainly possible.
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    Reminds me of the Onion article about terrorists shunning airlines because of delays:
    http://changingway.org/2008/03/02/twitter-airli...
  • goshdarnit · 1 year ago
    Yeah, there's not much reason to have trolls or spam on Twitter, because it's so useless, it's not worth trolling or spamming. It's the Blinking Bluetooth Headset of the internet (http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/516-blinking...).
  • James · 1 year ago
    See also: LiveJournal, with friend and friend-of.
  • freshyill · 1 year ago
    No spam? Tell that to my newest follower, powersellingmom.... http://twitter.com/powersellingmom

    This is spam.
  • rarito · 1 year ago